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		<title>Comment on The Ultimate Question by Rob King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points, Don.

Yes, the difference in consciousness and intelligence are degrees of magnitude, as you say. As a longtime pet owner of everything from barely sentient salamanders to quite intelligent dogs, I know what you mean. I definitely get the sense that there is a self-aware creature looking back at me when I look in a dog&#039;s eyes.

Perhaps I am using the word &quot;miracle&quot; too frivolously. Perhaps the word &quot;marvel&quot; fits better. Consciousness is at least marvelous, if not miraculous.

And, as you suggest, perhaps the true miracles of consciousness await as we develop higher forms of it, maybe not in ourselves but in our machines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, Don.</p>
<p>Yes, the difference in consciousness and intelligence are degrees of magnitude, as you say. As a longtime pet owner of everything from barely sentient salamanders to quite intelligent dogs, I know what you mean. I definitely get the sense that there is a self-aware creature looking back at me when I look in a dog&#8217;s eyes.</p>
<p>Perhaps I am using the word &#8220;miracle&#8221; too frivolously. Perhaps the word &#8220;marvel&#8221; fits better. Consciousness is at least marvelous, if not miraculous.</p>
<p>And, as you suggest, perhaps the true miracles of consciousness await as we develop higher forms of it, maybe not in ourselves but in our machines.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Ultimate Question by Don One World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don One World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may differ with you on how much a miracle consciousness is Rob.  I think it is an emergent quality of life and like intelligence, it varies by degree.  The problem is that the degree of consciousness between various forms of life differs by orders of magnitude.  We are used to thinking of things being 2 times or 3 times that of something else, but like quantum to cosmic scales, we need to think orders of magnitude when we think of consciousness which is correlated to what we perceive as intelligence.   I have noticed that even a squirrel seems very aware of itself in relation to other squirrels -- but perhaps it is not thinking about how it could loose some weight and be more attractive if it could only eat less nuts.  Self-consciousness may be a higher form of consciousness, but perhaps there even higher forms which we have yet to attain.  For me, consciousness is a miracle only in that it is an attribute of life which does seem miraculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may differ with you on how much a miracle consciousness is Rob.  I think it is an emergent quality of life and like intelligence, it varies by degree.  The problem is that the degree of consciousness between various forms of life differs by orders of magnitude.  We are used to thinking of things being 2 times or 3 times that of something else, but like quantum to cosmic scales, we need to think orders of magnitude when we think of consciousness which is correlated to what we perceive as intelligence.   I have noticed that even a squirrel seems very aware of itself in relation to other squirrels &#8212; but perhaps it is not thinking about how it could loose some weight and be more attractive if it could only eat less nuts.  Self-consciousness may be a higher form of consciousness, but perhaps there even higher forms which we have yet to attain.  For me, consciousness is a miracle only in that it is an attribute of life which does seem miraculous.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Tweet by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Harry!

Thanks for stopping by! And thanks for being one of the cool people I hang out with on Twitter!

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Harry!</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by! And thanks for being one of the cool people I hang out with on Twitter!</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Tweet by Harry Markov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Markov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, how did I manage not to discover your blog for so long? *tud* 

And yeah Twitter can be most wondrous, when you use it with a battle plan. It&#039;s the perfect tool to network and forge nefarious plans. :D 

PS: Thanks for the follow mention. *bows down*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, how did I manage not to discover your blog for so long? *tud* </p>
<p>And yeah Twitter can be most wondrous, when you use it with a battle plan. It&#8217;s the perfect tool to network and forge nefarious plans. <img src='http://jrobertking.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>PS: Thanks for the follow mention. *bows down*</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Tweet by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Daneen, it&#039;s great to hear from you!

I mentioned Hootsuite above--a free Twitter aggregator progam. It allows you to sort the Twitter feeds into categories--authors, science news, friends, family, and so forth. Using a program like this helps you sort through the hundreds of tweets and carry on conversations with others on Twitter. It also makes sure you notice any direct messages or mentions. And Hootsuite works with Facebook, LinkedIn, and other social networking software so that you can send and receive messages on all of them.


Yes, without Hootsuite (or another free aggregator), I wouldn&#039;t be able to keep up. But with them, I can carry on real-time conversations with amazing people--most of whom I have never met face to face!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Daneen, it&#8217;s great to hear from you!</p>
<p>I mentioned Hootsuite above&#8211;a free Twitter aggregator progam. It allows you to sort the Twitter feeds into categories&#8211;authors, science news, friends, family, and so forth. Using a program like this helps you sort through the hundreds of tweets and carry on conversations with others on Twitter. It also makes sure you notice any direct messages or mentions. And Hootsuite works with Facebook, LinkedIn, and other social networking software so that you can send and receive messages on all of them.</p>
<p>Yes, without Hootsuite (or another free aggregator), I wouldn&#8217;t be able to keep up. But with them, I can carry on real-time conversations with amazing people&#8211;most of whom I have never met face to face!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Tweet by DaneenMcD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaneenMcD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hm... I have direct Facebook connection to more than 50% of the Alliterates, but as I rarely separate my Tweets from my FB updates, I haven&#039;t delved deep into making extensive Twitter connections. Twitter with 300+ connections feels a little overwhelming to me.. Like a CNN ticker that never repeats. I know how to filter FB feed to sub-groups I feel particularly interested in at the time (family/authors/childhood friends). Am I missing some similar function of Twitter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hm&#8230; I have direct Facebook connection to more than 50% of the Alliterates, but as I rarely separate my Tweets from my FB updates, I haven&#8217;t delved deep into making extensive Twitter connections. Twitter with 300+ connections feels a little overwhelming to me.. Like a CNN ticker that never repeats. I know how to filter FB feed to sub-groups I feel particularly interested in at the time (family/authors/childhood friends). Am I missing some similar function of Twitter?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Tweet by People doing exciting things with books and stuff - Adam Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>People doing exciting things with books and stuff - Adam Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Angel of Death (among many other titles) and all-round top bloke has posted an excellent blog about why he uses Twitter. This is an argument I&#8217;m sure most Twitter users have encountered, probably many, many times. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Angel of Death (among many other titles) and all-round top bloke has posted an excellent blog about why he uses Twitter. This is an argument I&#8217;m sure most Twitter users have encountered, probably many, many times. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Tweet by kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>darn you now you make me wanna twitter! =) good points though uncle rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>darn you now you make me wanna twitter! =) good points though uncle rob</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Ultimate Question by Jarrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 03:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good points Rob, and the thought that &quot;what we do haunts or rewards the people we leave behind&quot; certainly rings true regardless of whatever afterlife may await us.  Thanks again for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points Rob, and the thought that &#8220;what we do haunts or rewards the people we leave behind&#8221; certainly rings true regardless of whatever afterlife may await us.  Thanks again for sharing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Ultimate Question by Rob King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 03:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice point, Jarrod!

Somehow, Shakespeare constantly surfaces with this particular issue--&quot;what dreams may come.&quot;

Or I think of &quot;To die, to sleep, perchance to dream--ah, there&#039;s the rub.&quot; When Hamlet says these words, he is contemplating suicide and is equating dying with sleeping--loss of consciousness. But then, what Hamlet fears is &quot;perchance to dream.&quot; There&#039;s the rub. What if his actions on earth will haunt him throughout eternity?

At this point, I don&#039;t think that what we do haunts us or rewards us throughout eternity. What we do haunts or rewards the people we leave behind. That&#039;s an even greater responsibility. Our virtues and our sins reward or punish not one person but hundreds or thousands.

If the suicide bombers understood this, they would not be thinking of their seventy-two virgins. They would be wondering whether they were leaving Islam in a better state than they found it.

My great grandfather abandoned my grandfather when he was three. My grandfather was rasied by his maternal grandmother. He, then, married a dominant wife, and his son did, and I did--which means that what my great grandfather did in 1905 is still resonating to the third or fourth generation. His sin--abandoning his family--was not paid out by Satan in hell. It was paid out and continues to be paid out in the flesh and consciousness of all the creatures that have descended from him.

There&#039;s a moment in Lord of the Rings when Frodo and Sam are marching into Mordor, facing certain death, and they console themselves thinking of the songs and stories that others will create to commemorate them. They are thinking of the other consciousnesses that will remember them and carry them onward. That&#039;s what we need to think--not whether God will welcome us as good and faithful servants, but whether other human consciousnesses that follow will say, &quot;Thank God he lived.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice point, Jarrod!</p>
<p>Somehow, Shakespeare constantly surfaces with this particular issue&#8211;&#8221;what dreams may come.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or I think of &#8220;To die, to sleep, perchance to dream&#8211;ah, there&#8217;s the rub.&#8221; When Hamlet says these words, he is contemplating suicide and is equating dying with sleeping&#8211;loss of consciousness. But then, what Hamlet fears is &#8220;perchance to dream.&#8221; There&#8217;s the rub. What if his actions on earth will haunt him throughout eternity?</p>
<p>At this point, I don&#8217;t think that what we do haunts us or rewards us throughout eternity. What we do haunts or rewards the people we leave behind. That&#8217;s an even greater responsibility. Our virtues and our sins reward or punish not one person but hundreds or thousands.</p>
<p>If the suicide bombers understood this, they would not be thinking of their seventy-two virgins. They would be wondering whether they were leaving Islam in a better state than they found it.</p>
<p>My great grandfather abandoned my grandfather when he was three. My grandfather was rasied by his maternal grandmother. He, then, married a dominant wife, and his son did, and I did&#8211;which means that what my great grandfather did in 1905 is still resonating to the third or fourth generation. His sin&#8211;abandoning his family&#8211;was not paid out by Satan in hell. It was paid out and continues to be paid out in the flesh and consciousness of all the creatures that have descended from him.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a moment in Lord of the Rings when Frodo and Sam are marching into Mordor, facing certain death, and they console themselves thinking of the songs and stories that others will create to commemorate them. They are thinking of the other consciousnesses that will remember them and carry them onward. That&#8217;s what we need to think&#8211;not whether God will welcome us as good and faithful servants, but whether other human consciousnesses that follow will say, &#8220;Thank God he lived.&#8221;</p>
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